Marine Parks (MPA) are Fishy essay

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Marine Parks (MPA) are Fishy essay

Post by Nic Barca » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:56 am

http://breakthroughjournal.org/content/ ... tion.shtml
I think you'll all find this real interesting. There was a controversial essay called Conservation In The Anthropocene put out by Kareiva et. al.. Kareiva is chief scientist for The Nature Conservancy. It was meant to be controversial; after all, thats one way to start dialouge. He's basically getting a lot of bashing but one responces essays was from a man named Ray Hilborn who has a lot of experience in MPAs. Ray did not bash him and agreed, if conservation/environmentalism is to go forward, it must embrace groups which it demonized in the past. To him, this meant fishermen and Ray went ahead to critic the effectiveness MPAs.

To read Conservation In The Anthropocene and all responces in Break Through Journal, here's the link:
http://breakthroughjournal.org/content/ ... ce-1.shtml

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Re: Marine Parks (MPA) are Fishy essay

Post by fishyfishy » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:54 pm

if anyone bashes the guy for making such observations and statements, its because the truth hurts.

MPAs often are wielded as a ultimate weapon to save everything, where as, here on maui, they are simply a private fishing area for poachers.
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Post by kona-ulua-style » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:47 pm

Guessing...MAN is problem.... here..? To fish or NOT to fish....? EAT fish...or eat Meat..? MPA'S...do work.... and a lot depending ..where..( locations)..and what type of species..are we refering to.... Those fish...that is terriorial (some more than others)...and species that travel far..? from MPA"S..

One purpose is to allow those species in the PROTECT AREAS to grow...in size and numbers... many are expect to go outside of these areas too...

ONE study or one creation for saving the fishes...Is NOT an ALL ANSWERS.... Too many variables...?

Do MPA"S work...? ...You may get many different answers.... NOT everywhere is the same...? on this planet...?

Aloha, ....MPA'S is just one idea..that may work....but NOT for everyone and every where... Just my thoughts on this one..!

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Re: Marine Parks (MPA) are Fishy essay

Post by Nic Barca » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:06 pm

Yeah, I guess you have to look at it on a case by case basis.

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Post by Brian F. » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:32 pm

One of the fundamental differences is that some people do not see people as part of the ecosystem anymore.
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Post by Nic Barca » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:10 pm

Brian, while that is true, there is actually a movement going on in conservation that is just the opposite. Environmentalism is dying. People are seeing how radical the old views were and that they were based on false ideals. "Pristine" nature doesn't really exist, and hasn't for thousands of years. Nowhere is untouched by man. Fear mongering and hyped up words are loosing their effects. How many times have people seen claims of environmental doom and gloom which didn't come true or were not as bad as feared? Answer: over and over and over again. This is not to downplay in any means the negative changes that have occured, yet nature is showing to be surprizingly resilient. The old environmentalism is loosing credibility. And people need economic growth particularly in sustainable ways.

In just 5 years, I've seen major changes. People are moving towards "protecting the environment from people" to "protecting the environment for people." This shift is occuring, but some people think it is coming much too slowly... so this guy Peter Kareiva wrote a Conservation In The Anthropocene. It's receiving a lot of flak, however, that was his strategy. If you make it controversial, people start talking about it.

If you take a look at his style, Kareiva (a prominent conservationists himself) attacks all the weak points of conservation's arguments- valid arguments which critics would use. And he gets accused of "giving ammo to the enemy." HOWEVER! One strategy in conflict management is to diffuse a tense situation by validating a other person's concerns, and he does exactly that. And by doing so, he brings all parties to the bargaining table. Kareiva believes conservationists should work with those they typically demonized: loggers, fishermen, hunters, even oil & chemical coorperations. He makes excellent points for why and in doing so he may have jumped the conservation movement forward 20 years.

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Post by Brian F. » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:16 am

It's good to hear that people are trying a different approach. It's unfortunate that they have to defuse the bomb lit earlier by others that set off the distrust felt by many fishermen. It's also unfortunate that many of those people are still around and it was their "Hey, let's do this together" outstretched "hand" that that came only after trying to do things behind everyone's back failed. As a side note, it's also good to see how much you've grown and matured in the short time that this forum has existed. College education is an amazing thing.
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Re: Marine Parks (MPA) are Fishy essay

Post by Nic Barca » Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:28 pm

Thanks!

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Re: Marine Parks (MPA) are Fishy essay

Post by Bamboo Man » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:43 am

Ray Hilborn is the man. If you want a good balanced read on overfishing and those types of issues, check out the book he wrote with his wife called "Overfishing: What everyone needs to know" (http://www.amazon.com/Overfishing-What- ... 0199798141)

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